MINUTES OF MEETING TURTLE RUN
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT

A regular meeting of the Board of Supervisors of the Turtle Run Community Development District was held on Monday, March 9, 2020 at 6:00 p.m. at the offices of Governmental Management Services, 5385 N. Nob Hill Road, Sunrise, Florida 33351.

Present and constituting a quorum:
Chris Kapish Lance Morgan Skip Carney Zaida Karnegis

Also present were:

Dennis Baldis Michael Pawelczyk Jonathan Geiger

FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS

Chairman Vice Chairman
Assistant Secretary Assistant Secretary

District Manager District Counsel KCI Technologies

Roll Call

Mr. Baldis called the meeting to order and called the roll.

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SECOND ORDER OF BUSINESS
A moment of silence was held.

Moment of Silence

THIRD ORDER OF BUSINESS
Mr. Baldis led the pledge of allegiance.

FOURTH ORDER OF BUSINESS

Pledge of Allegiance

Good News

Mr. Kapish: Any good news from anybody?
Mr. Carney:  I have some good  news  on a personal nature.	I became a great­ grandfather two days ago.
Ms. Karnegis: Great.
Mr. Carney: Great-grandfather.

Mr. Kapish: Wow.
Mr. Carney: Everyone wants to know what my age is now. Let's not go there. Mr. Baldis: What were you before, just an ok grandfather?
Mr. Carney: 4 pounds. All good though. Top that one.
Mr. Kapish:	That is good. Congratulations. Anybody have anything else?

FIFTH ORDER OF BUSINESS	Public Comments
Mr. Kapish: Nobody here from the public so we will move onto number 6.

SIXTH ORDER OF BUSINESS	Update	and	Discussion	of
Projects for the Bonds
Mr. Geiger: So we can start with Terrapin Lane. We did our walk-through like I said last time there is a lot they need to correct out there. Florida Blacktop is on a different job right now. I think next week they said they would be back over here to start making the corrections. On top of that FOOT has asked us to submit for an access connection permit so we can have the plans reviewed for the bullnose there. I am going to get a letter of authorization from you guys letting us submit on your behalf. I am going to need that. I just need to figure out what the actual language FOOT needs us to put in that letter because I am going to let KCI handle all the submittals and stuff. It was either the city had to give us a letter or you guys did so I figured it was easier to go through you guys. Other than that they just need to correct everything still. I am trying to get them to get the pavement marking and signage corrected first because they did sub that out but I have not been able to get a hold of anybody.
Mr. Kapish: Doesn't he need to fix that asphalt first? Mr. Geiger: Which asphalt?
Mr. Kapish: That spot behind.
Mr. Geiger: They have to do a bunch of things. That doesn't affect the striping that needs to get addressed.
Mr. Kapish: Is the striping near there?
Mr. Geiger: No that is off to the side. I don't think there was striping on that - that little patch.
Mr. Morgan: I don't think so.

Mr. Geiger: I think it was the next one up. It's back over by the catch basin. Mr. Morgan: Chris and I saw it the other day.
Mr. Geiger: I don't think there is any striping because it is right up on the catch basin there. It is kind of outside of where the asphalt is being redone anyways.
Mr. Kapish: What about the cracked curbing that the city said?
Mr. Geiger: Florida Blacktop has not been back onsite since I contacted them so everything still needs to be addressed that is out there. I have asked them when they do the curbing to please take extreme care to not mess up the roadway or the adjacent curbing or anything else.
Mr. Kapish: They must be awfully big cracks.
Mr. Geiger: Some of them are right through the whole curb basically. This was all stuff that I walked right after they poured most of this curb and it was fine so I am not sure if this was something that hit it or a truck hit it. I am not sure if this is just concrete didn't get to strength right there but they are going to pull them out and re-pour them. I informed them to do the whole sections.
Mr. Kapish: Have you seen Creekside Drive? Mr. Geiger: I was out there today actually.
Mr. Kapish: You see where they pulled out sections of three and four feet, left a curb in there, three or four feet all the way down the road.
Mr. Geiger: There are some sections that wound up only being two to three feet because they were in a catch basin.
Mr. Kapish: I have seen that but there is a section where on both sides they ripped out and left a piece of curb this big. There is no reason for that.
Mr. Geiger: I marked everything out with paint for them.
Mr. Baldis: I talked to Stanford about that. On Friday I told him it needs to be long sections.
Mr. Geiger: From the beginning I told them full sections and on my markup I sent them it is either ten or twenty foot sections depending on how much damage there was and everything. Next time I am out there if I see him out there, I will make sure to talk to him about it. I guess moving onto Creekside. Medians are all installed. I dropped off the plans to address the striping revisions Friday with Broward County Traffic. We actually

went ahead and stripped out, remember where that bullnose comes out, we are trying to prevent the people from turning left and through, we basically stripped out and kind of extended the bullnose with striping. Where you have that little curb part that comes out there is going to be additional yellow striping with the cross lines to help people divert them that way and keep people out of that little area. It is going to be the same, follows the same shape as the end of the bullnose there. It gives it a little bit extra guidance. You know how we have the cones out there now guiding people, it is going to mimic that. We are just basically doing everything we can to, if you drive through it, it is going to look like you are doing something illegal.
Mr. Kapish: Certainly will be once you pull out that bullnose.
Mr. Geiger: I guarantee you are still going to get someone doing it though. Mr. Baldis: They are driving around the barrels now.
Mr. Morgan:  The illegal part is going to be where you fail to obey the traffic control device which is a sign that says right lane must turn right.
Mr. Geiger: We will see what Broward County says about it. Broward County Traffic has the ultimate say whether they want us to strip it out like that. Same with the guideline striping that we proposed, I am curious to see what they say about that if they are even going to want it out there. They started taking out sideway curbs. You guys are aware they are taking out the curb. The sidewalk I don't know if they finished pouring it but last time I was out there and actually walked it, they had everything except a couple flags towards Turtle Creek Drive left to do. Most of the sidewalk they put back in looks good.
Mr. Kapish: I didn't see them tear out the ramps too.
Mr. Geiger: They are on the northbound side still. I don't know if they have done any demo on the southbound side. They are doing one side, then the other because they have to be able to get the concrete truck in there and everything.
Mr. Kapish: What about the header?
Mr. Geiger: I imagine they are going to take care of that when they switch over to the other side of the street. I think what they are doing is having the concrete truck to come and they are pouring from one side to the other instead of jumping around and doing different things.

Mr. Kapish: I hope they have this planned out really well because I know people over at Harbor Island, if it is not planned out real well, you will probably hear about it.
Mr. Geiger: I can talk to them about that.
Mr. Kapish: Whatever the MOT is and I know you can't close the whole side. You are going to have to do it in sections unfortunately.
Mr. Geiger: That is what I was going to talk to Stanford or Kevin about to see how they were going to do that, but because they can't close the whole thing it seems like the easiest way would be, I am assuming they were going to section it off anyways so it might be cut one section, let everybody go through orie side, pour the other side, close that off, kind of how they did the header curbs that are valley gutters.
Mr. Baldis: Can they put those big heavy metal plates over it so they can drive over

it?

there.

Mr. Geiger: I can ask Stanford.
Mr. Baldis: I have seen it, I don't know how that works. They are going to be upset

Mr. Geiger: I can talk with them.
Mr. Baldis: The sooner we know what they are doing so we can tell them the better

off we will be.
Mr. Geiger: I can see if Stanford has something he can throw down and use. Mr. Baldis: We just want to make it less intrusive as we can.
Mr. Geiger: I don't know when they pour the concrete if they can have that sitting on top or not. That would be my only concern.
Mr. Baldis: I don't know, I am asking.
Mr. Geiger: I just need to figure that out. I don't know if that impacts the way the concrete sets or anything.
Mr. Kapish: Also, too they are going to tie it with steel, right?
Mr. Geiger:	I imagine they would, one piece of rebar on the bottom like other header curbs.
Mr. Kapish: That is what I am saying, they are going to tie all the pieces together. Mr. Geiger: Yes I would imagine. I would have to ask. I am not sure what they are proposing there. I am not sure if there is really necessary a need for rebar between brick

pavers and asphalt like that. I will ask them what they are planning on doing and I will see if they have a plate that they can throw down or something instead of closing the whole road off. I don't think this is a situation where they have everybody go out the one side or the other while they are doing this.
Mr. Kapish: Even if the steel is not, a piece of steel doesn't cost anything. It is just the rebar.
Mr. Geiger: Engineering has approved the median extension so they took a preliminary look at that so they can let Paul Carpenter know that it was ok for the license agreement and everything.
Mr. Baldis: You are talking Creekside Drive now.
Mr. Geiger: Yes Creekside and Turtle Creek. Engineering has looked at that so that should be good to go once we get the commission approval. We are going to have to submit obviously for them to stamp the plans and everything.
Mr. Morgan: How far are you looking to bring it out?
Mr. Geiger: It is about 33 feet. It coincides with where the new bump out is too. It is about to there.
Mr. Carney: That is good.
Mr. Geiger: You have to remember we are losing that lane there. It is basically in line with you are going to have to snake around it. Paul Carpenter left me a message Thursday or Friday that got pushed to the April 1st commission meeting unfortunately. Their Traffic Management team was hesitant to put it on the March 18th one until they heard what we were doing about the Terrapin Lane and Sample Road issue. I wasn't in the office when Paul called to let him know what our plan was. I have since let him know and he hasn't called me back. He did say it would be on the April 1st commission meeting.
Mr. Kapish: What is the Sample Road thing have to do with this?
Mr. Geiger: They are hesitant to allow us to approve more work without us making sure that the work that they have already approved and everything is up to their design. I don't know. I don't know why one impacts the other because it is a completely different project. We are doing this for a completely different issue but this is just what I was told. I tried to get a hold of him to see if there was anything we could do about it but he hasn't called me back.

Mr. Kapish: What I am saying is because it is out till April, who is going to do the work? Stanford?
Mr. Geiger: I am assuming Stanford will still be doing the work but if he wraps
everything up then I don't know. He held off on another project for over a year and still came back and did it.
Mr. Baldis: I don't think he will have a problem. I think he is going to be doing other work for us too.
Mr. Geiger: As soon as I get a hold of Paul, I am going to figure this out. He didn't really give me a reason besides they wanted to push it back till we had a resolution on Terrapin Lane and Sample Road thing.
Mr. Kapish: We are not going anywhere so.
Mr. Geiger: That is what I told him. Other than that, on Creekside you guys have seen they are taking some of the trees out there. I did meet with the City. The city does have a little bit of a concern about the turn onto Turtle Creek Boulevard coming off of Wiles where we basically have the right turn lane becomes a right turn only and the other lane becomes a through lane where we taper down to one lane. That is something the city actually asked us to put in there. We originally had this as one lane. City engineering called me out there today and they were a little bit concerned with the way the taper works and everything and the distance between the two medians. I let them know, I sent them the letter that Paul Carpenter had sent us and their review team basically saying hey, can you make that a right turn only. So, they have the information now. I guess they are going to go back and see if that's still acceptable to the City and if that is what the City wants to do. They said they would get back to me with any sort of decision they come up with that would change anything we are doing out there. I don't think it should because the City asked us to do this to begin with or this would be all one lane.
Mr. Kapish: The curbs are already poured, aren't they?
Mr. Geiger: Yes. That is what I told them today. They were standing right there
too.
Mr. Baldis: We are doing it the way it is approved. They can come back and do it
if they want to change it.

Mr. Geiger: They said they would get back to me. When I was out there last week Stanford's crew had all the cones pulled in so they had both those lanes open. I saw about four or five cars have to slam on their brakes when it tapers down to one lane because they don't have any of the temporary right turn only, right lane must turn right out there. I asked the City today, Stanford has since put the cones back so it is one lane. I asked the City if they want the cones out or the signs out. Pick one because we can't have the signs up and the cones. They said to leave the cones out there for now until we get it striped out and the proper signage up and everything.
Mr. Morgan: You are talking about when they come southbound.
Mr. Geiger: Yes. Now they have the right lane right there that have cones out. It just tapers back in. That is the through lane eventually.
Mr. Kapish: That is only because of the dugout of the asphalt for safety reasons.
Once you mill this and redo it, it will be fine.
Mr. Geiger: Until they get the signage and the striping in you are still going to have people not understanding which lane is the through lane. So, like I said they need to get the temporary signs up if anything. I know they were out there today filling topsoil in as well and they were filling in the ditches on the side. I did see them doing that. I have to get Stanford something about the mounding over there. I am not exactly sure how many mounds.
Mr. Baldis: We said three. We have to wait until the trees come out which they are coming out today. They will probably finish tomorrow if they didn't get them done today.
Mr. Kapish: I will probably have some time tomorrow if you want to meet.
Mr. Baldis: Ok sure. I will be over there in the morning. The trees should be all gone tomorrow. We can look at it. When we walked it there was like three that we thought, again now that it is opened up we will get a better idea. We may have two, one longer one.
Mr. Geiger: We can get a better idea how tall we are talking and everything. I am not sure how steep these things can go. I know the ones that you have on Turtle Run Boulevard are pretty steep compared to what we had on plans originally.
Mr. Baldis: We will just look at it tomorrow.

Mr. Geiger: Other than that Creekside is moving along pretty well. For the MOT, for the most part the city hasn't had any complaints. I spoke with Larry Gates today, he said they have been doing a good job out there. He likes the way they are keeping the road open and everything and it is not shut down. He hasn't any issues. It was a good discussion today at least. That is it on Creekside unless anyone has any questions. Kevin called me today. They closed out the Turtle Creek lake access path. The structural got signed off on. I am not sure if it is in the system online but he did get the ok that everything was good and ready to go on that. The permit for that should be closed here soon if you guys would like to walk it.
Mr. Baldis: We are going to be there tomorrow because I would like to get your
input about the landscaping and stuff there too to clean it up now.
Mr. Geiger: I did ahold of the City. I spoke with City engineering. They are requiring us to pull a permit for that driveway replacement. It is just an engineering permit, no DRC. Driveways are handled by the city engineer which is good because I have a very nice relationship with her right now. I sent her plans to take a look at preliminary. She is looking for us to get FPL consent though. She said this could come in the form of a consent agreement with FPL or if I could just get a no objection letter from someone saying go ahead and replace our driveway.
Mr. Kapish: How long is that going to take?
Mr. Geiger: I have one contact at FPL who gives me the easement agreement letters that I think he could be able to direct me. He is local. He is not the real estate person, he should be able to direct to someone or hopefully just sign a letter for me saying go ahead.
Mr. Kapish: You know what is funny about that is that driveway didn't exist until we
put it in.
Mr. Baldis: They don't even know it is there. We put it in just to keep it from getting messed up.
Mr. Geiger: Then they really should have no objection.
Mr. Kapish: We were the ones that put that in.
Mr. Geiger: That is why I clarified with her if I needed to get a consent agreement or if I could just get a letter because the letter is hopefully going to be so much easier.

care.

Mr. Pawelczyk:   I  would  say just a letter of no objection.   It is flat, what do they

Mr. Geiger: It is going to help them more than anything.  It should be a pretty quick

process to get that permitted once I have some sort of documentation from FPL.	Najla has already seen the plans.  She had no comments when I sent it to her.	I drove by the sound barrier walls today. They are looking good. The back of the walls are painted. I saw the caps were delivered. They are not on yet but they are sitting on the ground next to the anchor columns. Tract E anchor columns have been adjusted. I don't know if you guys have seen them. That all got corrected. All the grading looks pretty much done.
Mr. Kapish: Did you talk to John? Did he say he was going to put them on tomorrow, the caps?
Mr. Baldis: Yes tomorrow. He is going to do the sealing of the brick. He didn't
want to do it because of the wind. Once the wind dies down, he is going to do that.
Mr. Geiger: That should be finished up soon. Like I said he is going to try to get the final landscaping going in.
Mr. Baldis: When we move on, I have a proposal to put the sod in there.
Mr. Kapish: When are we removing the construction fence? Mr. Geiger: It is gone.
Mr. Baldis: It was gone last week. I have talked to the Carlson's, and Irma. I talked to Mrs. Brown. Everybody is happy. The Carlson's are tickled pink. They think it is awesome. We are going to put Irma's palm trees back in on Thursday. Robert is going to clean up behind the Carlson's. They don't want sod. They lost one small Eureka palm. I said if you want, I will give it to you so we are going to get her one. Behind Mr. Costa's, nothing but pine mulch. That is all he had there. I told Mrs. Brown that we were going to put sod in and I spoke to Chris about putting a hedge to give her a barrier there. She is happy as can be. They are going to fix her brick pavers that were messed up. That is all going to be done next week.
Mr. Morgan: On that corner we should put in some nice landscaping. We took out
a couple of dahoon holly's from there and some other stuff. We need to dress it up a little bit more.
Mr. Kapish: I think after everything is done, take a look at it.

Mr. Morgan: What kind of hedge? Mr. Baldis: Podocarpus.
Mr. Kapish: You need five foot ones.
Mr. Baldis: I asked Robert for a price. There are seven gallons and 15 gallons but they are pricey. One thing we need to consider is the other side so it matches too. The space on the other side.
Mr. Kapish: Is there any sprinkler work that needs to be fixed behind the wall?
Mr. Baldis: I am having Robert going back there to clean up and we are going to look at all that.
Mr. Kapish: Now that Mrs. Berskins has seen the wall, is she ok with the other
wall?
Mr. Baldis: I am going to talk to her Thursday when we are putting in the trees and
say, what do you think? When they are all happy, I am going to say I want you to sign that letter and give it to me on the way out. They wanted to be there when we put the trees in Thursday afternoon.
Mr. Geiger: The main entry walls, did that transformer go in? I didn't see it.
Mr. Baldis: No what happened with the transformer is the spot that it was supposed to go in, FPL showed up with a bunch of people and they actually dug nine or ten feet and couldn't find their conduit that they said was there. I talked to John from Anzco, he was going to go meet them the next day to pick another spot. Then they dug down fifteen feet and found the conduit there. They were supposed to come back today. They weren't there today.
Mr. Kapish: So, the conduit really is there except they didn't go deep enough. Mr. Baldis: It was fifteen feet down.
Mr. Morgan: That is deep.
Mr. Baldis: I am surprised they didn't hit water. Anyway, it is there. I was hoping they were going to be there today. I drove in and they weren't.
Mr. Kapish: Do they bring a big back hoe and all that stuff?
Mr. Baldis: There was probably five or six trucks. There was an army of guys there. They kept digging and digging. I was like, oh my gosh. They found a conduit that was empty. Then they found another one down further.

Mr. Kapish: Interesting.
Mr. Baldis: I am hoping that the wall is done next week and the transformer is done next week and we can start fixing up the front entrance.
Mr. Kapish: Has he put any roofing on? The metal roof?
Mr. Geiger: I don't know if they want to leave that stuff laying onsite. I think they are just going to do that when they finish everything up.
Mr. Kapish: When I talked to him last week, he said they are fabricating it and they should have some of it done. He was going to put it on as they fabricate it. He was putting it on as they gave it to him.
Mr. Geiger: Turtle Creek Drive flagpoles, I met onsite Friday with them. They have the holes dug to put the sleeves in to put the flagpoles in. I spoke with Kevin today. I guess there is a zoning inspection that they had to pass before they could call their structural which seemed kind of weird. They had to get zoning out there before he could get structural. The structural can tell them yes, pour concrete and sleeves basically. They have holes dug out. They have the sleeves in. They just haven't poured the concrete on them yet. From there it is just pouring the concrete and then they can set the flagpoles. Then Stanford can come through and do all the demo and electrical work and get the pavers in there.
Mr. Baldis: The flagpoles are going here. Being out there I looked at it and it was like this isn't going to look right. I called Polesetters and asked them to give me a price to move this pole. I had them take this little tree out here, this holly tree. I asked them to give a price to move that pole back to here. The flagpoles will be in front and this will be here. I have that proposal for you when it comes to my turn to present it to you.
Mr. Carney: The light that is in the preserve like that. Could you get longer arms for that light? It really needs to be brought out. I was wondering if they make longer arms.
Mr. Baldis: I would have to ask.
Mr. Carney: Just an observation because it is a little dark in that area. Bring them out a little further it may make a difference.
Mr. Geiger: Are you talking about further apart?

Mr. Carney: Where do you really want a light, you want to like light the sidewalk and the street? You don't want to light the preserve, just an idea.
Mr. Geiger: I am hoping once they get the flagpoles in, Stanford said he should be able to knock that out pretty quick. Getting the electrical in there and making sure the electrical is all figured out. The pavers should not take long at all for him to get in here.
Mr. Kapish: Are they jack and boring? Mr. Geiger: There is a box right there. Mr. Kapish: They are just tapping off. Mr. Baldis: Yes, everything is there.
Mr. Geiger: It is very convenient for them.
Mr. Baldis: He needs to know we are moving that pole. Mr. Geiger: Is the box there?
Mr. Baldis: That is going to be decided when we get out there. He just needs to know that is happening. I know the flagpole guy knows.
Mr. Geiger: Kevin knows but I don't know if he told Stanford though. Mr. Baldis: That is what I am saying.
Mr. Geiger: As far as the other streetlighting goes, I have not heard anything from Rohl since they told me the permit was closed out. I am assuming the city is satisfied and doesn't need anything else from us. I have not received any more release of liens from them yet.
Mr. Kapish: Quick question, since we are talking about the lighting and stuff. Did
you get a chance to talk to Park Apartments about that little section there making it nice with a walkway and a bench on Terrapin?
Mr. Baldis: I thought we had to go get an easement agreement from the Apartments?
Mr. Kapish: I know that is what I was saying.
Mr. Baldis: No, I haven't. Nothing has happened there yet. Are you going to talk about the easements for the monument signs?
Mr. Geiger: We got all the title work back for that stuff. They are sifting through it. There is a lot of documents to go through because we requested everything back to 1986. Ben in survey quickly found the one on Terrapin and Sample. I believe it was an

easement granted by the Apartment Complex there or whoever at the time so we have one. I am assuming the other ones that we saw in mortgage documents and other documents exit but it is just a matter of them sifting through all the data now and actually confirming for me. I don't want to give you guys a false answer. I am assuming since we have the one, it was drawn up exactly the same as all the other ones we saw but we should have them. They told me Friday they should be able to give me a straight answer on everything as well as have the surveys updated which is good because then we can start submitting the plans back to Coral Springs. I am still waiting for Mainnor to correct the issues on Turtle Run Boulevard Central with the signage that was installed. That one sign is still missing.
Mr. Kapish: There was a pole, it was put in next to the curb and there was a sign on it. Then the next week the sign was gone but the pole was still there.
Mr. Geiger: Mainnor is in Costa Rica. I tried getting a hold of him. Mr. Kapish: Did someone steal the sign?
Mr. Geiger: No, they took the sign off because it is the wrong type of sheet metal. They have to take the sign off to move the pole. They set the pole, then they anchor the sign back on it. They don't move it with the sign on it.
Mr. Kapish: Where are they going to put the pole at?
Mr. Geiger: It needs to be against the sidewalk where I told them to put it. They hit an irrigation line and instead of calling someone or doing anything they just moved the pole arbitrarily.
Mr. Baldis: I need to know when they are doing that.
Mr. Kapish: Who is putting this in? Mr. Geiger: Horsepower.
Mr. Kapish: They are pretty expensive. Mr. Baldis: This is their last pole.
Mr. Geiger: I am not sure what is taking them so long to just move a pole and correct the issues. I don't have a contact for them. I only have Mainnor to go through for this.
Mr. Baldis: Are you going to be over there tomorrow?
Mr. Geiger: I certainly can be.

Mr. Baldis: I have a guy I will call over there for HorsePower.
Mr. Geiger: Alright. I am not sure if they put the wrong signs for all of them and they are just waiting to get the new actual signs in to switch them out. That is my assumption until I talk to someone. We will get to the bottom of it. That is everything we have in construction I think. As far as design stuff goes, you guys are aware we advertised the bid for the lots 55- 58 wall. The pre-bid meeting is actually Wednesday of this week. We have only had Anzco and PHI so far pick up plans.
Mr. Baldis: What time is that?
Mr. Geiger: I believe it is at 10:00 a.m.
Mr. Kapish: As far as when we do this bid work and stuff we are doing things that I don't know if they are being done the right way as far as, I am not saying they can't do it but maybe I am surprised we can't do it cheaper another way. Like having Jon do the painting on the wall and he is responsible for the sodding. Just like when we do the roadwork, we are having the road guy do the sodding and I don't know if that is a good way of doing that or not. Dennis maybe you can tell me this, I don't even know the price they charge for the sod if it is the same or similar per square foot as we would have a sod company.
Mr. Baldis: Are you talking about these wall things? You are talking like 8 pallets
of sod. You are not talking like giant numbers. We are doing them in little sections. If you were doing the whole street you would get a reduced number.
Mr. Geiger: For this wall specifically, we have asked them just to prep the site for sod and landscaping and that is going to be provided by someone else.
Mr. Kapish: Jon is not doing the sod work. Mr. Geiger: No.
Mr. Kapish: What I am saying is like on Terrapin Lane we had Florida Blacktop.
Mr. Geiger: They did the median. They actually had the cheaper price for the sod then BrightView.
Mr. Kapish: Ok we want to know before we do this stuff.	I think the Board should
know what is in that bid.
Mr. Pawelczyk: The bid documents usually require those to be bid as separate line
items.

Mr. Geiger: Yes.
Mr. Pawelczyk: Those bids are then presented to you to approve at this Board meeting with that breakdown in there. Most bid documents I think these do for sure have the ability for you to pull that out even though they bid for the entire job you can say we are going to pull out the sod and give it somebody else.
Mr. Geiger: We did that on Terrapin.
Mr. Kapish: Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. I am just pointing that out. I just think that the Board should know ahead of time what is in there. When we did other sections of the roadway, they weren't responsible other than just to bring it to grade. Then we had BrightView do the sprinklers and do the sod. It all depends on what the project is and the scope of it. I am just saying that we should know, we should have a discussion here about what is in that bid paperwork before it is just done. Really none of us know until we find out what the bid is.
Mr. Geiger: Realistically is just covered everything that is in the plans that you have looked at and approved. It should just be an overlap of that is what is on paper and that is what they are bidding on. We can certainly start bringing it before the Board. I can email it out. I can bring it here.
Mr. Kapish: All you have to do is say we are putting together the bid and do you guys want to include sod.
Mr. Baldis: Send the bid documents. Mr. Geiger: We can do that.
Mr. Kapish: Sometimes it is just not wise to have a homebuilder build your pool and it is not wise to have your pool builder build your home if you know what I mean.
Mr. Geiger: Yes. Forest Glen, you were copied on the email I believe that Bob had sent to Chris.
Mr. Kapish: I don't recall seeing an email.
Mr. Geiger: Chris from the School Board responded that he received everything and that he would be in review of it. We actually just recently got a hold of the person at Comcast about those easement agreements, she finally got back to us after Bob had to call and email her. She did not respond to me or any of my co-workers but we are in the process of getting the no objection letters from them to utilize the easement that the city

was concerned with. We have signoffs from everybody else though. That final step for that side of things is Comcast and then we just have to deal with the School Board.
Mr. Kapish: While we are there somebody has a bunch of pallets stacked up. Mr. Baldis: They may already be gone.
Mr. Geiger: Then we spoke briefly about the secondary entry walls. Our landscape departments have gotten locations 2 and 3 completed so I just have to revise mine based on, make sure our plans match and everything and then get everything over to the architects. I believe we are working on locations 4 and 1 after this. The City has all the paperwork for the easements so they are starting to do the easement dedication at Turtle Run Park for the monument sign. I dropped all that stuff off last week for Najla. It is just a matter of getting everything back to the City for DRC. I am hoping since they have seen these walls so many times that this is a quick process. The last thing I have for you guys is actually Tortoise Way. I have everything done minus the little nuance to details. I just actually threw in the details from the other jobs since they all overlap anyways. I will pass these out. If you guys want to see anything else with this please let me know. This is basically what I showed you guys before with all the nilly gritty. The changes I have made since we talked about this last was removing the brick pavers and we going to go concrete there per your recommendation and your ask. I don't think that is the only thing we really talked about changing there.
Mr. Kapish: You can make a left out of the park.
Mr. Baldis: It is very dangerous.
Mr. Morgan: I was actually thinking Chris, what we could do is have our detail officer go there every day and just stop the traffic northbound on Tortoise and just let everybody out. It is an officer directing the traffic.
Mr. Geiger: The one sheet is cut off, sorry about that.
Mr. Kapish: Is the bullnose on Wiles Road the same as it is now?
Mr. Geiger: The city asked us to maintain the striping that is there now because they approved that with the Wiles Road expansion.
Mr. Kapish: And the sidewalk striping, is that all the same?
Mr. Geiger: The Crosswalk? Yes. They asked us to keep that exactly the way it
is.

Mr. Kapish: We are still going to do the four foot bike lane, right?
Mr. Geiger: Yes, it gets to be a little bit shorter than four feet in a couple areas like we spoke about. The curbs are a little weird.
Mr. Kapish: Dennis we really need to go over to the roundabout and look at those lights because I swear the other night when I went through it looks like there is yellow light, yellow light and yellow light. They replaced them with the wrong colors.
Mr. Carney: I haven't looked at them recently but they haven't been right since we put them in.
Mr. Geiger: When we do the road, they are going to have to take all the ones on Tortoise Way out too. If you guys want to do anything with that, that would be the time.
Mr. Kapish: There is something not right about the whole thing. I am coming east and I am going west on Turtle Run Boulevard before the roundabout and there is one out. It is not working at all.
Mr. Carney: When you go east to west, they are hardly visible.
Mr. Kapish: I don't know maybe we can go out there at dusk and check them with a flashlight.
Mr. Baldis: I will call him tomorrow.
Mr. Kapish: Does anybody have any questions or concerns about Tortoise Way?
Now this it the plans you are going to submit to the City.
Mr. Geiger: I have to touch them up a little bit more. I have to add some details and change some of the title blocks on the later sheets, but yes this is pretty much what I submit to Paul Carpenter for their traffic management team review. That is the first step. They review it, they issue comments, once they are satisfied then they start looking at getting a license agreement and everything. Paul is retiring though. I am not sure when he is going but I know it is soon from what I hear. I am hoping we can get all this figured out before he goes and someone else has to start assisting us with this stuff. Paul is pretty fair and easy to work with. That is everything I have minus stuff that Dennis has that overlaps.
Mr. Baldis: Paul supported us on that Creekside right turn only. He went to bat for us with that.

Mr. Kapish: That is going to be a major improvement. It may take a couple of months for people to get used to it but I thin.k once that is done, I think you will get less and less cars turning there.
Mr. Geiger: The only people I can see really having a complaint.about it is Newport but if they are really trying to get to 441, they can turn left. They can go through the Target back entrance if they are trying to get there, unless they are going to that gas station or that pre-school for whatever.
Mr. Morgan: They can go up to Sample Road. Mr. Geiger: I think it will be a huge improvement.
Mr. Carney: There are a lot of different ways to get out you don't have to go that
way.
Mr. Kapish: I think if people from Newport complain, it is really a win-win for them. Mr. Morgan: I think you are going to get 30-35% less traffic on that road.
Mr. Geiger: Our analysis I think brings that drop from 280 cars at peak hours
making that left and through to like 50.
Mr. Kapish: That is our goal.
Mr. Geiger: We will see though. A lot of people are just going to have to learn to go a different way honestly. They probably already are now. That is all I had on the bond stuff. I know Dennis has a thing on here for the Sample Road/ Turtle Run Boulevard pavers which I also have some proposals for.
Mr. Baldis: That is next so just keep going.

SEVENTH ORDER OF BUSINESS	Discussion	of	Paver
Replacement on Sample Road and Turtle Run Boulevard
Mr. Geiger: We have a couple of proposals to redo the pavers in the front. I sent out something to Anzco and Stanford basically detailing what needed to be done. One of the things we were concerned about and Stanford also brought this up is you guys do have some settlement out there with the pavers. The main concern is that there is a failure in the base here. What we have instructed them to really do is, you really are supposed to have 8 inches of lime rock under these pavers because they are traffic pavers. You get a lot of heavy traffic. I talked to their structure guys and one of our guys

who does a lot of FOOT projects, that is what he said. I looked at the old plans that K&S had done years ago when this got put in. We only called for six inches then. I don't know if standards have changed but Jon Zak was going to take a core to see actually what depth we had in there. One of the things that is included in his proposal is they might have to take all that lime rock out, dig down two or three inches, put the lime rock back in and compact. We have asked them to add an alternative price for that in their proposals. We are hoping we can just use what is there. If it is six inches but if they take a density and it is super compacted, we are going to see what we can do about it instead of having to rip up all that lime rock. The third proposal we have Dennis got from, they just do pavers correct?
Mr. Baldis: Correct.
Mr. Geiger: I am not sure if their proposal includes maybe having to rework that base completely.
Mr. Kapish: We are purchasing the pavers, right?
Mr. Geiger: Yes. Anzco's price without having to rework the base s6 just ripping up the pavers and installing is $141,288. If they do have to rip the base all the way out and rework it - it adds an additional $68,000 so that brings that to $209,288. The low price is, so Stanford came in just to do the work without having to rip up the base at
$94,018.40. An additional $47,187.94 if he has to rip the base out and rework it. Reworking his proposal because I can take out this line item to rework the existing base, his total for everything, it has to do with the lime rock work arid all of that is $130,739.34. It is less than Jon Zak's, less than Anzco's off the bat and definitely less if he has to rework the base.
Mr. Baldis: Stanford is the low price by far. The cost of the bricks is $82,181.20. You are looking at Stanford which would be $94,018.40 plus the $82,000 for the bricks. Then if he has to do the subbase, then you would add the $82,181 to the $135,914. That is the low price out of the three.
Mr. Kapish: Let me ask you something Jonathan. Right now, the code is 8 inches of lime rock for any road?
Mr. Geiger: It is not a code per se especially here because it is not an FOOT road. We could probably get away with the six if it is compacted correctly and someone signs

off on it but you might still experience the failure you guys are getting now. That is the concern if it failed once.
Mr. Morgan: I don't necessarily think the failure is from the lime rock. I think the failure is from the bricks not aligning, not being tightly woven and as tires roll over them, they tend to pull them up. You get wear. It is like a pothole. The tires literally lift up material and take the material with them thus the hole. I look at the road all the time and I think it is mainly just the material we put in there not adhering to each other. There is big gaps and squiggly lines and as cars go over it, they wear and tend to pull up the bricks.
Ms. Karnegis: Is the area that the brick is being pulled the same area every single time because what is weird to me is that some areas are not that bad, but there is two specifically that are the same.
Mr. Morgan: Because those are the ones we repaired.
Ms. Karnegis: Maybe in that particular area there is something else wrong besides
that.
Mr. Geiger: That is an unknown until they take the bricks up and they start looking
at it. This is why I had that as an additional price.
Mr. Kapish: So, what do they do? Do they take core samples three or four different places?
Mr. Geiger: We would recommend them doing it at each end and maybe in the
middle.
Mr. Baldis: You have to remember that the road was flooded too so if there was already a problem, those all go into that equation. They definitely need to do that core there.
Mr. Kapish: That sunken area. Maybe that is sinking too. It is kind of funny though
you see roads that are put down and they are there for 30 or 40 years and never been repaved and they don't show the wear.
Mr. Geiger: The flexible pavement which asphalt is so the asphalt absorbs most of it and spreads that over a large area. What happens with these brick pavers is they are rigid structures so all of the load is going from the brick paver directly into the lime rock. There is no real interconnecting load sharing with them.
Mr. Kapish: Is that why they have the sand?

Mr. Geiger: The sand actually is holding them in place. That doesn't help spread the load out really. Basically, when a car runs it over the load is going straight down into the lime rock for the most part. When you have the asphalt, it is spread over a much wider surface area.
Mr. Kapish: Shouldn't the first thing we do is take a sample?
Mr. Geiger: Like I said Jon Zak wanted to do it before he even went through a bid but he didn't. We can ask Stanford if you guys want him to go ahead and see if he can start doing that. At least to see where we are at, then we can talk about a decision on whether to leave six inches if that is what it is and have them make sure it is really compacted.
Mr. Baldis: I would like to start moving forward. Mr. Kapish: The road is a mess.
Mr. Baldis: Bricks came up today.
Mr. Kapish: Do you know how long it has been like that? Mr. Morgan: Three years.
Mr. Baldis: I would like to order the pavers tomorrow and I would like to authorize Stanford to start the job and tell him when he gets there, he needs to do this and we will discover that. If that is an issue we will come back and say this is the problem now and this is what we need to do. To keep just going, we are going another month. I am just trying to get the ball moving.
Mr. Carney: Those two areas have always been a problem. They need to go down in those two areas, right Chris?
Mr. Kapish: Let's do the core samples. Can we get those results back by the next meeting?
Mr. Geiger: I can talk to Stanford tomorrow and see if he can get it done. The next meeting is a little far off to. It is the 30th.
Mr. Pawelczyk: I will prepare the draft agreement. We will put it in the package so you can approve it and sign it and start the next day.
Mr. Baldis: I am trying to keep things going.
Mr. Kapish: You don't need a motion for this, this is direction from the Board. Have him go get the core samples.

Mr. Baldis: Where do you want the samples from?
Mr. Kapish: I would think he would know best where to take them from.
Mr. Geiger: We will look where the actual problem is and have him take one close to there. Then we would probably recommend doing one at either end just to make sure you have a consistent, the problems are kind of in the middle. I know one of them is closer to one end but I feel it is a consistent amount of base through there. You are concerned about where the problem is so let's do them there and then one or two other ones.
Mr. Kapish: Seems like the northbound is worse than the south.
Mr. Morgan: For whatever reason when those areas gave way three years ago, we have had them repaired several times and we have broken pavers in there so the repair jobs never held. There is so much movement in clay paver's number one. When we do it with the 4 x S's we can do a much tighter formation like we did at the roundabout. We have had no slippage in the roundabout.
Mr. Geiger: You are also going to change the pattern where you are not going to be driving perpendicular which I know will help. Also, they do make a type of sand that when it gets wet it kind of turns to more of cement type stuff. Anzco said it is about four or five times as expensive as paver sand but is something he spoke to me about maybe exploring doing. He said they have had pretty decent results where they have used it before but it does add a significant cost to the project when you have this much area to lock into place. I think it is called polymeric sand. It is another option. The loss pavers  do cause that lime rock I am sure to shift around.
Mr. Morgan: What if we just asphalt that area again? Is that comparable to what we are spending here?
Mr. Geiger: To pull all of this up and just run asphalt over it? It probably would be cheaper.
Mr. Morgan: A lot cheaper?
Mr. Geiger: I couldn't give you a number off the top of my head.
Mr. Morgan: I don't expect you to. I am just saying, guys, I mean what are we doing here?

Mr. Kapish: That is like ripping up your pavers and putting asphalt inside of your paver driveway.
Mr. Morgan: I would because I'm looking to do my paver driveway for the third time at a cost of $5,000 each time. I have been in my house for 25 years and this is the third time because most neighbors won't rip up their pavers. All my neighbor's driveways are destroyed.
Mr. Kapish: I know a few neighbors that replaced their driveways.
Mr. Morgan: Maybe one or two, yes there has been a couple. This will be my third time corning up this summer to replace my driveway.
Mr. Kapish: Sounds like you made a bad choice of material.
Mr. Morgan: I know, well look at this project. Talk about bad choice. The Board member who designed this idea should resign and be shamed. Look at that. We have had nothing but problems the last ten years Dennis. Do you agree?
Mr. Kapish: It actually lasted a good ten years.
Mr. Morgan: One day I was jogging and this van was on the side of the road. His oil pan was ripped off his car and there is all these brick pavers pulled up. I said what happened and he goes these brick pavers hit my car. I got out of there as quick as I could. I didn't want to tell him who was responsible. I am just saying what are we doing here guys. Are we here to fix this problem?
Mr. Kapish: Do you want to make a motion to blacktop it?
Mr. Morgan: No, I am just asking the Board to consider all options.
Mr. Carney: Also, I think that you say six inches or eight inches, we are not prepared to answer that question. You have to answer that question for us.
Mr. Geiger: I am just giving you guys the option. If we have a structural guy look at it and he says, it is compacted enough with all the history of people driving on it that I feel comfortable saying yes, you can get away with the six inches. It is just cost savings instead of having to rip a bunch of stuff up that functions.
Mr. Morgan: At the end of the day what are we doing here.
Ms. Karnegis: In another three years we may be having the same conversation.
Mr. Geiger: You also run into the issue with not replacing the whole thing. I don't know if the city then considers that a new project or just maintenance. I know replacing

the whole thing with the right thing is maintenance to them but then you start getting into, well do we need a permit now to close the road down and start paving.
Mr. Kapish: You can always put bowenite down.
Mr. Carney: It used to be closer to the street. What was the reason why we pushed it further back like that?
Mr. Morgan: Cars were sitting there. It looks great, I am just saying if there is going to be a continual maintenance problem not so much for us but for Board's to come to spend $300,000 plus or whatever the figures are here, it starts to become not very cost effective.
Mr. Kapish: I think that going back to your driveway you don't have a lime base underneath, that is why you are having problems.
Mr. Morgan: I don't know what I have but this is the third time I have wavy lines and I like things to be perfect. I tell you what, my driveway is in a lot better condition than right there and that is six inches of lime rock. My driveway is a lot better than that.
Mr. Carney: Would the price be different if it was shortened?
Mr. Geiger: It might get a little bit cheaper but then you have to balance the cost with asphalt. Then you have other things associated with that whether it is permit fees.
Mr. Morgan: I don't think you can go half and half. You either redo it in brick pavers and hopefully it works this time or we will be doing it again eventually in asphalt.
Mr. Kapish: They have done it in other communities and it has lasted for years. They have done it on old places in Europe, whole streets are done in pavers. They may get a little movement and stuff like that but they are still existing there. They are not perfectly smooth but this is a little bit different. It is always in the prep. Everything you do with it is in the prep.
Mr. Carney: Pavers are always going to be maintenance but not full replacement though if it is done correctly.
Mr. Morgan: I don't think this was the prep, I think it was the formation and the material we used and how we had them set. I think if we would have done it originally like the roundabout, we probably wouldn't be discussing this right now.
Mr. Geiger: There also might be a failure issue right where those pavers are too.
There might be a void in there caused by a broken pipe or something.

Mr. Kapish: The roundabout has more stress because it is a radius. It is still good. I think before we get all in, start losing the real discussion here, let's find out what those core samples are.
Mr. Carney: I think the difference in those pavers is causing all the movement. You have different spacing between all those pavers, you don't have that at the roundabout. They all fit tight.
Mr. Baldis: What is the length of that?
Mr. Geiger: The length of? I don't know off the top of my head.
Mr. Baldis: 200? I am looking at if they get four samples on each side and especially take them where it has been compromised, maybe one on the end, each end, and two in the middle somewhere.
Mr. Carney: What does a core sample entail?
Mr. Geiger: I believe they have a machine that basically drills and it pulls out. Mr. Carney: How deep does it go?
Mr. Geiger: They can go as deep as you really want.
Mr. Carney: What I am saying, what if the problem is below the depth they go. Mr. Geiger: I can ask them if they can go deeper where those problem areas are.
We are just trying to determine the thickness of the base. Where the problem areas are, we can see if they can dig it down a little deeper.
Mr. Carney: Who knows what is going on down there? They just found conduit fifteen feet down right.
Mr. Morgan: I know communities in Coral Springs where residents, the houses are 40 years old and they still have the same asphalt driveway. All they do is paint it occasionally. I am just saying you can paint it different colors.
Mr. Geiger: I will talk to Stanford about that tomorrow then. Mr. Baldis: Four samples is good each side?
Mr. Kapish: Yes, should be. Mr. Geiger: Yes.
Mr. Baldis: Do you want me to order the brick or are we going to wait? Mr. Kapish: We will wait.
Mr. Morgan: You better wait till we find out what is going on.

Mr. Baldis: Ok just asking.
Mr. Geiger: Are we choosing Stanford or do I just want to talk to him about the core samples?
Mr. Kapish: Just have Stanford do the core samples.
Mr. Baldis: He is the low bid. Are you suggesting we take the higher bid? Mr. Kapish: We are not obligating ourselves to anybody.
Mr. Morgan: We will pay him for the core samples.
Mr. Geiger: We will have him do the core samples and submit an invoice for that. Mr. Baldis: Exactly.
Mr. Geiger: I will talk to him tomorrow about that.

EIGHTH ORDER OF BUSINESS	Staff Reports
A.	Attorney
Mr. Pawelczyk: The only thing I have is really a question on Creekside/Turtle Creek job with the median. Has anyone talked to you about a license agreement or are they preparing one?
Mr. Geiger: Paul has talked to me about it. He hasn't followed up with me.
Mr. Pawelczyk: I am just asking because I haven't heard anything.
Mr. Geiger: I know the city engineer gave him the verbal ok last week on it so I don't know what point he starts getting that involved.
Mr. Pawelczyk: When you want me to contact the City attorney's office even though they should contact their own staff, if you want to forward me the email I can forward it over, just kind of inquire have you been made aware of this, if not check with Paul.
Mr. Geiger: Ok. I can see what he is doing with it. I know their team met last week about it.
Mr. Pawelczyk: I don't have anything further.

B.	Engineer - Approval of Change Orders
1)	Approval of Change Order #9 with Rohl Global Networks LP for Street lighting Project
Mr. Kapish: Change order #9.
Mr. Geiger: This is from Rohl. This is the one that you guys asked me to get more information on about the storage. So, it turns out that change order #9 was for the storage of the arms and the light fixtures in their warehouse.  You guys asked me to contact them to see at what point we ever agreed, what price. I was really not able to get anything from them. George Long sent me something basically just saying that the lights and arms, they were always in our warehouse. They weren't moved there. If the project would have moved forward as originally scheduled, no extra fees would have been added. Something about putting it on hold. Basically, he says Dennis knew and so did others as it was discussed. I didn't get anything in writing. I don't have an email so he is kind of just saying, oh, this was discussed over the phone or in person.
Mr. Carney: It says here backup for change order #9. I find it interesting that they want to charge us because they didn't have room to store them and they had to keep moving it around so we had to pay for the forklift.
Mr. Geiger: Which was more than the storage. Mr. Carney: This doesn't make any sense.
Mr. Geiger: I could not get anything from him in writing, basically no email.
Mr. Carney: Number one, we.never agreed to pay for storage and number two, if you don't have room, you don't store things.
Mr. Geiger: Yes, and when he said originally there wouldn't have been extra fees but the project got held up, they should have let us know when the project was held up that there was going to be a cost associated with that.
Mr. Carney: To move them, it cost us more than the storage itself. This is bogus. On a million dollar project they want to charge us $10,000 and it cost us more to move them from side to side then it did for the storage itself that was never agreed so I don't know. Crazy.
Mr. Kapish: How much do they want for the storage again?
Mr. Geiger: Right now, they want $10,090. That is for the storage and for them having to move the materials around in their warehouse as needed.

Mr. Kapish: Mike, we had no agreement about that.
Mr. Geiger: I looked at the agreement. There was nothing in there about storage.
Mr. Kapish: I don't even remember them saying, and even if they did, wouldn't they tell you it is going to be this amount of money?
Mr. Geiger: That is what I tried getting from him.
Mr. Kapish: They would tell you how much it is going to be. Then you would say, wow, that is a lot of money, I might be able to get it cheaper.
Mr. Geiger: My email basically said do you have any documentation of Turtle Run agreeing to storage rates for the lights and arms, anything that would result in an increase to the contract price should have been presented to the Board for approval prior.
Mr. Carney: Then Chris they want to charge us $730 a month for the forklift just to move them back and forth because they don't have room in the warehouse.
Mr. Morgan: Which they have a forklift anyway.
Mr. Geiger: It sounds like they are moving stuff every single day. Mr. Kapish: Mike what is our recourse on that?
Mr. Pawelczyk: It is not whether we have recourse, it is whether they have recourse. I don't know. I haven't looked at it. I haven't been asked to look at it but typically a change order has to be presented and approved by the Board before such time as the expense can incurred.
Mr. Carney: And this wasn't, correct? Mr. Geiger: No.
Mr. Baldis: I think you just deny it. Mr. Carney: That is right.
Mr. Baldis: It is that simple. They didn't ask for it before. That was the rule and they didn't do it.
Mr. Geiger: That is what I was going to let them know after I talked to you guys. I
spoke with the Board and we never saw a change order.
.	Mr. Pawelczyk: You can move to deny the change order request based on the information currently presented.

On MOTION by Mr. Morgan seconded by Mr. Carney with all in favor accepting Change Order #9 from Rohl Global Network denied by the Board was approved.

C.	Field Manager
D.	Manager
Mr. Baldis: We spoke earlier about moving the pole at Turtle Creek and Sample, to move it back away from the traffic signal. The number I got from Polesetters is $5,325.
Mr. Kapish: Are we moving some other poles on Creekside?
Mr. Baldis: We will be doing that yes, but I was trying to do the flagpole and that was when this came up so I asked him to do this.
Mr. Kapish: How much are they charging us for the other poles?
Mr. Baldis: I haven't spoken to them about that yet because they are not ready to be moved. We were trying to determine where they were going to be moved out there so they would be centered.
Mr. Kapish: Jonathan do you know where they are supposed to be moved yet because the city hasn't given you the final thing now because they are relooking at the merge?
Mr. Geiger: That doesn't affect the median. At the one at the top, if they change anything it might, but the one where they are off center now, that is just a matter of going out and measuring and moving them into the center.
Mr. Kapish: The only thing I am saying is that if they are moving other poles, they should give us a better price. I don't know if that is a good price.
Ms. Karnegis: Are they aware that we are going to give them more work?
Mr. Baldis: They have installed all our poles, all the second phases. I am not using Rohl. This came up because they were putting the flags in and I had to make room for the flags.
Mr. Carney; Do you know how many more we have to move?
Mr. Geiger: I believe it should just be the three in that one median on Creekside.
Mr. Carney: You know what they are, then have him give you a price on all three and see what the three cost would be.	If they have remobilized, that is going to cost.
Mr. Geiger: That is a lot of the cost is the mobilization.

Mr. Kapish: When are they putting the flags in?
Mr. Geiger: I was quoted Tuesday. I don't know if that is going to happen. Mr. Kapish: Are they going to be able to move that light pole by that time?
Mr. Baldis: No, I am getting approval to do it. It just came up. I don't know when he can do it. I didn't have it approved so I didn't ask him. I will call him in the morning and see when we can do it. Polesetters is a good guy. He asked me to make sure that he got paid before we released everything from Rohl because Rohl burned him in the past. I have done that. He is very happy. He knows that we are trying to do right by him and us to getting those releases. They stuck him for a bill where he put poles in. I can call him and tell him I have a few more poles and say, I just trust him to give me a fair price.
Mr. Kapish: Let's do this. Let's have the Board give you the permission for that price and you can tell him about the other three and maybe he can go down a little bit. It is $5,325 for the pole on Sample and Turtle Creek.
Mr. Carney: Is that a not to exceed price? Mr. Kapish: Yes.

On MOTION by Ms. Karnegis seconded by Mr. Carney with all in favor authorizing a not to exceed amount of $5,325 with PoleSetters to move a pole on Sample and Turtle Creek was approved.

Mr. Baldis: The other item I have is over in front of the new wall on 43rd, I got two prices to put sod in front of the wall.	BrightView's price is $6,796.84 and IGM's price is
$6,600.
Mr. Kapish: So, there is a $196.84 difference.
Mr. Baldis:  BrightView  is higher.   They have added  money for  light grading for
$174.	So, they are basically the same price for the sod.  I can tell them to go to $6,600.
Mr. Kapish: Do that.
Mr. Morgan: Tell them to match the other bid. I really do think as a guiding light that BrightView is our vendor unless there is a dramatic price difference, you call Robert, he is there. Maybe some of the other vendors are like that too but until we change vendors, they are our vendors.

Mr. Baldis: I agree with you.
Mr. Morgan: We may nickel and dime them somewhere else but it may come back to haunt you later on down the road when there is another project where they could make a difference by telling us something, I am just saying. Overall BrightView does a good job for us and we should, I would say this, if we lose BrightView some way shape or form the new bids that come in to do our property, I bet they are a third higher minimum bids with a company we don't know about. Things are expensive today.
Mr. Baldis: You are correct.
Mr. Morgan: I think you are going to have sticker shock one day when we put out a bid to do our property.
Mr. Baldis: I just get prices to let them know that we are paying attention. That is all. Me and Robert work really good and when I tell him I have to do this because of the size of the project like the front entrance, I have to do this, I can't just say it is yours automatically because he is counting on his guy to out and look and give a price. He has to keep his guy in line too. I do that. For instance, I helped with a project down in Homestead and BrightView there, they set a price for half a pallet of sod for $317 and I said so you are charging us $630 a pallet. There was like nobody answered. Then the manager there jumped in and said what is going on with this? You just have to stay on them that is all. I agree with you. Robert is excellent and does look out for our best interest.
Mr. Kapish: So, we need a motion to have Dennis have BrightView do that sod work at 43rd and Turtle Run Boulevard for $6,600.

On MOTION by Mr. Morgan seconded by Mr. Carney with all in favor accepting the proposal from BrightView in the amount of $6,600 to install sod at 43rd and Turtle Run Boulevard was approved.

Mr. Baldis: Another item that I am really not 100% ready to talk to you about is US Brick and the deposit for the front. I have a sent them a letter. I had a conversation with the gentleman today and he informed me he wasn't the person that could make a

decision. I and he didn't see eye to eye so he suggested I talk to the owner which I am going to do tomorrow and then I will come back and tell you what the owner said.
Mr. Pawelczyk: If any of you have questions about that, that you want to talk to either Dennis or myself, let's do it outside the meeting for obvious reasons. I think that is why Dennis doesn't want to spend too much time talking about it in Sunshine since there is no decision for you to make yet. If you need more information, just check with Dennis outside the meeting. I think that is best at this point.
Mr. Kapish: You are going to talk to him tomorrow? Mr. Baldis: Yes, I am going to call tomorrow.
Mr. Kapish: Ok.
Mr. Baldis: Unless you have any questions for me that is pretty much what I have for you today.
Mr. Kapish: I  don't have any questions.	Does anybody have any questions for Dennis?
Mr. Carney: No. Thank you.

NINTH ORDER OF BUSINESS
Mr. Kapish: Supervisors requests. Mr. Carney: Nothing thank you. Ms. Karnegis: Nothing here.

Supervisors Requests

Mr. Morgan: Dennis last meeting two weeks ago Robert was here. The dead trees on Terrapin, he said they were going to be replaced the next day. Have they been replaced?
Mr. Baldis: Yes. They weren't the next day but they did get them a couple days
after.
Mr. Morgan: Ok just checking. When I jogged on Saturday they weren't replaced. Mr. Baldis: They have been replaced.
Mr. Morgan: Ok no problem. That is all I have.
Mr. Kapish: I have something. A lot of the trees at the main entrance by the Estate
sign. These trees in here as you approach this, they need to trim them all. They need to trim all those trees, shape them.

Mr. Baldis: You mean like the cedar trees and all that.
Mr. Kapish: Yes, shape them all because some of them look like they are too big and it doesn't look nice or manicured. Also, at the Estate sign I think they still have the poinsettias in there and they are dying or whatever.
Mr. Baldis: They were supposed to be taken out last Thursday. I talked to him this morning and I was hoping they were taking them out today before this meeting.
Mr. Kapish: Can they please do that?
Mr. Baldis: I told him this morning that I asked him last week to do that and they were still there. They should.
Mr. Kapish: Ok we just need a motion to adjourn the meeting.

TENTH ORDER OF BUSINESS	Adjournment

On MOTION by Mr. Carney seconded by Ms. Karnegis with all in favor the meeting was adjourned.

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